Maurice Goguen and Gilbert Albert (Applicants) 
v. 
Frederick Edward Gibson (Respondent) 
Thurlow C.J.—Ottawa, January 24, February 24, 
March 1, 2, 3, 4, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12 and April 28, 
1983. 
Evidence — Disclosure of information — Objection relating 
to international relations or national defence or security — 
Applicants charged with breaking, entering and committing 
theft following investigation by Security Service of R.C.M.P. 
— Tapes recording membership lists of political party 
removed from premises and copied — Applicants requesting 
production of documents — Respondent objecting, under s. 
36.1(1) of Canada Evidence Act, to disclosure of information 
on grounds of injury to national security and international 
relations — Application under s. 36.2(1) of Act, for determi
nation of objection — Applicants arguing disclosure essential 
for defence — Under s. 36.1(2), Court may examine informa
tion and order disclosure if public interest in disclosure out
weighs in importance specified public interest — Objections 
upheld and application dismissed — Legislation recognizing 
cases where public interest in secrecy of information on nation
al defence outweighed by public interest in disclosure in litiga
tion — S. 36.1(2) conferring on Court discretion as to whether 
examination should be made — If balance equal between 
conflicting public interests, examination held to ascertain 
whether preponderance of importance in favour of disclosure 
exists — In case at bar, no apparent case for disclosure, so no 
examination of information — Large volume and comprehen
siveness of material requested injurious to Security Service 
Likelihood of injury although information sought 10 years old 
— Charges not capital — Disclosure not essential to appli
cants since witnesses available — Applicants' rights to full 
defence under common law and federal legislation matters for 
Court which tries accused — Canada Evidence Act, R.S.C. 
1970, c. E-10, ss. 36.1, 36.2, 36.3, as en. by S.C. 1980-81-82-
83, c. 111, s. 4 — Federal Court Act, R.S.C. 1970 (2nd Supp.), 
c. 10, s. 41, as rep. by S.C. 1980-81-82-83, c. 111, s. 3. 
The applicants have been committed for trial in the Superior 
Court of Quebec on charges of breaking, entering and commit
ting theft. The applicants were involved, as R.C.M.P. officers, 
in "Operation Ham", an investigation undertaken by the Secu
rity Service of the R.C.M.P. whereby premises were entered 
and computer tapes recording membership lists of a political 
party were removed, copied and replaced. At the applicants' 
request, a subpoena duces tecum was issued addressed to the 
respondent, the Deputy Solicitor General of Canada, and to the 
Clerk of the Privy Council. Pursuant to subsection 36.1(1) of 
the Canada Evidence Act, the respondent objected, by certifi
cate, to the production of certain documents on the grounds 
that their disclosure would be injurious to the national security 
of Canada and to international relations. The applicants then 
applied, under subsection 36.2(1) of the Act, for determination 
of the objection pursuant to subsection 36.1(2). The applicants 
argue that the evidence objected to is essential for their 
defence—they intend to prove that "Operation Ham" was not a 
criminal act; that it was part of the investigative methods 
approved by the R.C.M.P., and that they did not act fraudu
lently in taking part in it. They also contend that the disclosure 
is not injurious to Canadian national security and international 
relations and that the public interest in disclosure outweighs in 
importance the public interest alleged in the certificate. Subsec
tion 36.1(1) of the Act provides that a Minister of the Crown or 
other person interested may object to the disclosure of informa
tion on grounds of specified public interest. Subsection 36.1(2) 
provides that a superior court may examine the information 
and order its disclosure if it concludes that the public interest in 
disclosure outweighs in importance the specified public interest. 
Held, the objections taken in the certificate should be upheld 
and the application dismissed. In the circumstances of this case, 
the public interest in immunity from disclosure was not out
weighed in importance by the public interest in disclosure. 
Subsection 36.1(2) of the Canada Evidence Act seems to 
recognize that there may be instances where the public interest 
in national security and international relations is outweighed by 
the public interest in the proper administration of justice in 
which disclosure is necessary for purposes of litigation. When 
disclosure is sought for use in criminal proceedings, the gravity 
of the charge and the severity of the punishment are important 
factors in choosing between the competing public interests. 
Public interest immunity from disclosure required by an 
accused has been upheld in England. Even if there is no 
Canadian precedent to that effect, it can be said that never has 
a claim for immunity of disclosure on grounds of injury to 
national security and international relations been overruled. 
Indeed, it is unlikely that such a claim, if properly made, could 
have been overruled under the previous legislation (i.e. section 
41 of the Federal Court Act as repealed by section 3 of S.C. 
1980-81-82-83, c. 11l ). 
Subsection 36.1(2) confers on the Court authority to exam
ine the information sought, and the discretion as to whether 
such an examination should be made. The subsection uses the 
word "may", and the judge hearing the application must, on 
the material before him, be persuaded that the case for disclo
sure outweighs the case for immunity, or at least that the 
balance is equal and calls for an examination whose object will 
be to ascertain whether a preponderance of importance in 
favour of disclosure exists. If no apparent case for disclosure is 
made, then the Court is not required to examine the 
information. 
As to the importance of public interest in national security: 
there is nothing in the material before the Court which would 
afford any reason to discount the statement in the respondent's 
certificate that disclosure would be injurious to national secu
rity and international relations. Indeed, the large volume and 
comprehensiveness of the material requested would lay bare to 
the world the whole structure of the Security Service. Secrecy 
in national security and international relations matters is essen
tial. The process of assembling and sifting information is 
carried out in the interests of public safety. Secrets relating to 
such matters may have to be preserved indefinitely. The likeli
hood of injury does not diminish with the passage of time. 
As to the importance of public interest in disclosure: the 
offences charged are not capital and the prospect of severe 
punishment should not, in view of the circumstances of "Opera-
tion Ham", be given undue weight in the scale. It is not 
feasible, at this stage, to consider the relevancy of the informa
tion sought to the issues likely to arise at the trial. Although the 
applicants' affidavits state the belief that the information is 
essential to their defence, the Court is unable to conclude that 
the disclosure of the information is of critical importance to 
their defence, particularly in view of the availability of wit
nesses able to testify as to at least some of the matters referred 
to by the applicants. 
As the evidence preponderates heavily in favour of the 
importance of public interest in national security and interna
tional relations, it is unnecessary to examine any of the infor
mation in question: the authority to examine should only be 
exercised when necessary and there is no reason to suppose that 
such an examination would indicate that it should be disclosed. 
Finally, the applicants' rights under the common law, the 
Criminal Code, the Canadian Bill of Rights and the Canadian 
Charter of Rights and Freedoms to make full answer and 
defence, are not at issue. Subsection 36.1(2) calls for a determi
nation of which of the two conflicting public interests out
weighs the other in importance. Whether the effect of such a 
determination, when made, is to interfere with the right to 
make full answer and defence is a matter for the Court which 
tries the accused. 
CASES JUDICIALLY CONSIDERED 
APPLIED: 
Reg. v. Lewes Justices, Ex parte Secretary of State for 
Home Department, [1973] A.C. 388 (H.L.); R. v. Secre
tary of State for the Home Department, Ex parte 
Hosenball, [ 1977] 3 All ER 452 (C.A.); Burmah Oil Co. 
Ltd. v. Governor and Company of the Bank of England 
and Another, [1980] A.C. 1090 (H.L.); Conway v. 
Rimmer and Another, [ 1968] A.C. 910 (H.L.); Sankey v. 
Whittam (1978), 21 ALR 505 (H.C.). 
DISTINGUISHED: 
Smallwood v. Sparling, [1982] 2 S.C.R. 686; 44 N.R. 
571. 
CONSIDERED: 
Rex v. Hardy (1794), XXIV St. Tr. 199; Marks v. 
Beyfus (I890), 25 Q.B.D. 494 (C.A.); D. v. National 
Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Children, [1978] 
A.C. 171 (H.L.); Regina v. Snider, [1954] S.C.R. 479, 
affirming [1953] 2 D.L.R. 9 (B.C. C.A.); The Solicitor 
General of Canada et al. v. The Royal Commission of 
Inquiry into the Confidentiality of Health Records in 
Ontario et al., [19811 2 S.C.R. 494; Attorney General of 
the Province of Quebec et al. v. The Attorney General of 
Canada et al., [1979] 1 S.C.R. 218; Robinson v. State of 
South Australia [No. 2], [1931] A.C. 704 (P.C.); Air 
Canada and Others v. Secretary of State for Trade and 
Another, [1983] 2 W.L.R. 494; [1983] 1 All ER 910 
(H.L.). 
REFERRED TO: 
Attorney-General v. Briant (1846), 15 M. & W. 168; Ex 
parte Attorney-General; Re Cook and Others (1967), 86 
W.N. (Pt. 2) (N.S.W.) 222 (C.A.); Duncan and Another 
v. Cammell, Laird and Company, Limited, [1942] A.C. 
624 (H.L.); Attorney-General v. Jonathan Cape Ltd. and 
Others, [1976] 1 Q.B. 752. 
COUNSEL: 
Pierre Lamontagne, Q.C. and Richard Mon-
geau for applicant Maurice Goguen. 
Harvey Yarosky and Morris Fish for appli
cant Gilbert Albert. 
Joseph R. Nuss, Q.C., Lorne Morphy, Q.C., 
Allan Lufty, Gary H. Waxman and John B. 
Laskin for respondent, Attorney General of 
Canada and Solicitor General of Canada. 
SOLICITORS: 
Lamontagne, Mongeau, Montreal, for appli
cant Maurice Goguen. 
Yarosky, Fish, Zigman, Isaacs & Daviault, 
Montreal, for applicant Gilbert Albert. 
Ahern, Nuss & Drymer, Montreal, for 
respondent, Attorney General of Canada and 
Solicitor General of Canada. 
The following are the reasons for judgment 
rendered in English by 
THURLOW C.J.: The applicants, Maurice 
Goguen and Gilbert Albert, have been committed 
for trial in the Superior Court of Quebec at Mon-
treal on charges under the Criminal Code, R.S.C. 
1970, c. C-34, of conspiring with others to break 
and enter and commit theft and of breaking and 
entering and committing theft. The conspiracy is 
alleged to have occurred between August 8, 1972, 
and January 8, 1973, and the breaking and enter
ing on January 8, 1973. 
On January 5, 1983, a subpoena was issued by 
the Superior Court at the request of the applicants 
addressed to the respondent, Frederick Edward 
Gibson, who is the Deputy Solicitor General of 
Canada, and to Gordon F. Osbaldeston, the Clerk 
of the Privy Council of Canada, requiring each of 
them to attend the Court and to bring with them a 
large number of documents, said to amount in all 
to some 8,200 pages, enumerated, in the case of 
Mr. Gibson, in a list of some twenty-eight items of 
volumes and files and, in the case of Mr. Osbaldes-
ton, in a list of some thirty other items, some of 
which appear from their description in the list to 
be volumes and others to be single documents. 
Service of the subpoena was effected the same day. 
On January 12, 1983, the respondent filed in the 
Superior Court a certificate which, after identify
ing Mr. Gibson as the Deputy Solicitor General of 
Canada, proceeded as follows: 
2. 1 have personally examined and carefully considered the 
documents and files, insofar as they exist and insofar as they 
are not confidences of the Queen's Privy Council for Canada, 
set out in the subpoena issued to me by this Honourable Court 
on January 5, 1983 to the extent that the said documents and 
files pre-date February 1973. 
3. 1 have also personally examined and carefully considered the 
documents listed in Schedule "A" annexed hereto, the said 
documents being a portion of those set out in the subpoena 
issued by this Honourable Court on January 5, 1983 to the 
Clerk of the Privy Council, Mr. Gordon F. Osbaldeston. 
4. The documents and files referred to in the subpoena 
described in paragraph 2 of this certificate and in Schedule 
"A" form part of the records of the Security Service of the 
Royal Canadian Mounted Police (hereinafter referred to as 
"the Security Service"). 
5. With respect to the documents and files that I have referred 
to in paragraph 2 of this certificate as having examined and 
considered, I certify to this Honourable Court pursuant to 
section 36.1(1) of the Canada Evidence Act, R.S.C. 1970, c. 
E-10 as amended by 1980-81-82 (Can.) c.111, that production 
or discovery of the documents or disclosure of the information 
contained in the said documents, beyond that which has already 
been made public as a result of the proceedings or the report of 
the Commission of Inquiry Concerning Certain Activities of the 
Royal Canadian Mounted Police established by Order-in-
Council P.C. 1977-1911 of July 6, 1977 pursuant to Part I of 
the Inquiries Act, R.S.C. 1970, c.1-13, would be injurious to the 
national security of Canada and to international relations and I 
object to the disclosure of the documents and files and the 
information contained therein. 
6. With respect to the documents that 1 have referred to in 
paragraph 3 of this certificate as having examined and con
sidered, I further certify to this Honourable Court pursuant to 
section 36.1(1) of the Canada Evidence Act, R.S.C. 1970, c. 
E-10 as amended by 1980-81-82 (Can.) c.111, that production 
or discovery of the documents or disclosure of the information 
contained in the said documents, beyond that which has already 
been made public as a result of the proceedings or the report of 
the Commission of Inquiry Concerning Certain Activities of the 
Royal Canadian Mounted Police established by Order-in-
Council P.C. 1977-1911 of July 6, 1977 pursuant to Part I of 
the Inquiries Act, R.S.C. 1970, c.l-13, would be injurious to the 
national security of Canada and to international relations and I 
object to the disclosure of the documents and the information 
contained therein. 
7. 1 do further certify to this Honourable Court that production 
or discovery of the documents or the disclosure of the informa
tion to which I have objected in, paragraphs 5 and 6 of this 
certificate would be injurious to the detection, prevention or 
suppression of subversive or hostile activities directed against 
Canada or detrimental to the security of Canada. More par
ticularly and without limiting the generality of the foregoing, 
production or discovery of the documents or disclosure of the 
information contained in the said documents would identify or 
tend to identify: a) human sources and technical sources of the 
Security Service; b) targets of the Security Service; c) methods 
of operation and the operational and administrative policies of 
the Security Service, including the specific methodology and 
techniques used in the operations of the Security Service and in 
the collection, assessment and reporting of security intelligence; 
and d) relationships that the Security Service maintains with 
foreign security and intelligence agencies and information 
obtained from said foreign agencies. 
8. I understand that oral evidence may be given in these 
proceedings. If oral evidence were sought to be given of the 
contents of the documents and files to the disclosure of which I 
have in this certificate objected, I would wish to object to such 
evidence on the same grounds as those herein before set out in 
relation to the documents in question. 
To this certificate was attached a schedule list
ing nineteen of the items of the list which the 
subpoena required Mr. Osbaldeston to bring to the 
Court. 
The following day, January 13, 1983, the appli
cants applied under section 36.2 of the Canada 
Evidence Act, R.S.C. 1970, c. E-10, as enacted by 
S.C. 1980-81-82-83, c. 111, s. 4, for determination 
of the objection in accordance with subsection 
36.1(2) of that Act. 
Sections 36.1, 36.2 and 36.3 of the Canada Evi
dence Act 
These provisions are new. They are in some 
respects extraordinary and they make a consider
able change in the law. They were enacted as 
Schedule III of an Act entitled "An Act to enact 
the Access to Information Act and the Privacy 
Act, to amend the Federal Court Act and the 
Canada Evidence Act, and to amend certain other 
Acts in consequence thereof" and they were pro- 
claimed in force in November 1982. At the same 
time a provision of the same Act repealing section 
41 of the Federal Court Act, R.S.C. 1970 (2nd 
Supp.), c. 10, as rep. by S.C. 1980-81-82-83, c. 
111, s. 3, was also brought into effect. For conve
nience I shall set it out first and the relevant 
portions of the new provisions thereafter: 
Federal Court Act 
41. (1) Subject to the provisions of any other Act and to 
subsection (2), when a Minister of the Crown certifies to any 
court by affidavit that a document belongs to a class or 
contains information which on grounds of a public interest 
specified in the affidavit should be withheld from production 
and discovery, the court may examine the document and order 
its production and discovery to the parties, subject to such 
restrictions or conditions as it deems appropriate, if it concludes 
in the circumstances of the case that the public interest in the 
proper administration of justice outweighs in importance the 
public interest specified in the affidavit. 
(2) When a Minister of the Crown certifies to any court by 
affidavit that the production or discovery of a document or its 
contents would be injurious to international relations, national 
defence or security, or to federal-provincial relations, or that it 
would disclose a confidence of the Queen's Privy Council for 
Canada, discovery and production shall be refused without any 
examination of the document by the court. 
Canada Evidence Act 
36.1 (1) A Minister of the Crown in right of Canada or other 
person interested may object to the disclosure of information 
before a court, person or body with jurisdiction to compel the 
production of information by certifying orally or in writing to 
the court, person or body that the information should not be 
disclosed on the grounds of a specified public interest. 
(2) Subject to sections 36.2 an 36.3, where an objection to 
the disclosure of information is made under subsection (1) 
before a superior court, that court may examine or hear the 
information and order its disclosure, subject to such restrictions 
or conditions as it deems appropriate, if it concludes that, in the 
circumstances of the case, the public interest in disclosure 
outweighs in importance the specified public interest. 
Subsection (3) provides for determination of the 
objection by the Federal Court—Trial Division or 
the superior court of the province as the subsection 
directs, but subject to sections 36.2 and 36.3. The 
section contains provisions for appeals from such 
determinations. 
36.2 (1) Where an objection to the disclosure of information 
is made under subsection 36.1(1) on grounds that the disclosure 
would be injurious to international relations or national defence 
or security, the objection may be determined, on application, in 
accordance with subsection 36.1(2) only by the Chief Justice of 
the Federal Court, or such other judge of that court as the 
Chief Justice may designate to hear such applications. 
(2) An application under subsection (1) shall be made within 
ten days after the objection is made or within such further or 
lesser time as the Chief Justice of the Federal Court, or such 
other judge of that court as the Chief Justice may designate to 
hear such applications, considers appropriate. 
(3) An appeal lies from a determination under subsection (1) 
to the Federal Court of Appeal. 
(4) Subsection 36.1(6) applies in respect of appeals under 
subsection (3), and subsection 36.1(7) applies in respect of 
appeals from judgments made pursuant to subsection (3), with 
such modifications as the circumstances require. 
(5) An application under subsection (1) or an appeal brought 
in respect of such application shall 
(a) be heard in camera; and 
(b) on the request of the person objecting to the disclosure of 
information, be heard and determined in the National Capital 
Region described in the schedule to the National Capital Act. 
(6) During the hearing of an application under subsection (1) 
or an appeal brought in respect of such application, the person 
who made the objection in respect of which the application was 
made or the appeal was brought shall, on the request of that 
person, be given the opportunity to make representations ex 
parte. 
36.3 (1) Where a Minister of the Crown or the Clerk of the 
Privy Council objects to the disclosure of information before a 
court, person or body with jurisdiction to compel the production 
of information by certifying in writing that the information 
constitutes a confidence of the Queen's Privy Council for 
Canada, disclosure of the information shall be refused without 
examination or hearing of the information by the court, person 
or body. 
So far as I am aware the present application for 
determination is the first to be made under any of 
these provisions and it is undoubtedly the first to 
be made under section 36.2. 
Section 36.2 is extraordinary in providing that 
the application is to be determined only by "the 
Chief Justice of the Federal Court, or such other 
judge of [the Federal Court] as [he] may desig
nate to hear such applications" and in providing by 
reference to subsection 36.1(2) for the examina
tion by the Chief Justice or designated judge of 
information, the disclosure of which is objected to 
on grounds that disclosure would be injurious to 
international relations or national defence or secu
rity. Under the repealed subsection 41(2) of the 
Federal Court Act that course was not open. 
A further difference in the new law is that the 
objection need no longer be taken by the affidavit 
of a Minister of the Crown but may be taken by 
the oral or written certificate of a Minister of the 
Crown in right of Canada or by any other person 
interested. I pause to note that no challenge was 
raised as to Mr. Gibson being a person entitled to 
raise the objections made by him. 
Another difference is that the wording 
... certifies ... that a document belongs to a class or contains 
information which ... should be withheld from production and 
discovery ... 
formerly found in subsection 41(1) of the Federal 
Court Act has been dropped in favour of 
... certifying ... that the information should not be dis
closed .... 
The reference formerly found in subsection 41(1) 
to 
... the public interest in the proper administration of justice 
has also been dropped in favour of 
... the public interest in disclosure .... 
It may also be noted that section 41 applied only 
to documents. The new provisions apply to "infor-
mation", a word which is broad enough to embrace 
information which is found in documents and 
other information as well. 
It appears to me that by section 36.2 Parliament 
manifests its will that in future a claim for 
immunity on grounds that disclosure would be 
injurious to international relations, national 
defence or national security is no longer to be 
treated as absolute but is to be subject to examina
tion by a court. Further, the party taking the 
objection need no longer be a Minister of the 
Crown but whether taken by a Minister or by 
someone else the claim by itself will not necessarily 
prevent disclosure. The matter is to be left to the 
judgment of a court. In this the circumstance of 
who it is that asserts the objection and what his 
interest in and knowledge of the need for main
taining immunity from disclosure may have its 
bearing. On the other hand, the sensitivity of the 
information and, hopefully, the consistency of 
approach and the standards to be applied in reach
ing a decision are protected to some extent by 
providing, at least in the court of first instance, for 
a single designated judge to hear the application 
and pass upon such objections. 
But it is, I think, important to note that while 
the authority to determine the matter is trans- 
ferred from a Minister of the Crown to the Court, 
the public interest in maintaining immune from 
disclosure information the disclosure of which 
would be injurious to national defence or national 
security or international relations remains the 
same. Its importance is as great and as weighty as 
it always has been. One is reminded of the maxim: 
Salus populi est supremo lex. What seems to be 
recognized by the legislation, however, is that 
there may be instances in which, depending on the 
particular circumstances, that public interest may 
be outweighed in importance by another public 
interest, that of the disclosure in the public inter
est, that is to say, in civil and criminal litigation, 
that of the due administration of justice, an inter
est the importance of which will itself depend on 
the circumstances of the particular case. In a small 
claims action its importance might not easily pre
vail over that of the public interest in national 
security or international relations. In a criminal 
prosecution for a capital or other serious offence 
its importance could weigh very heavily if the 
information is shown to be of critical importance 
for the defence or for the prosecution. 
Thus in Rex v. Hardy', Lord Eyre C.J., in 
relation to the privilege from disclosure of sources 
of police information, observed: 
... there is a rule which has universally obtained on account of 
its importance to the public for the detection of crimes, that 
those persons who are the channel by means of which that 
detection is made, should not be unnecessarily disclosed: if it 
can be made appear that really and truly it is necessary to the 
investigation of the truth of the case that the name of the 
person should be disclosed, I should be very unwilling to stop it 
In Marks v. Beyfus 2 , Lord Esher M.R., after 
citing the rule against disclosure of the names of 
informers, said: 
Now, this rule as to public prosecutions was founded on 
grounds of public policy, and if this prosecution was a public 
prosecution the rules attaches; I think it was a public prosecu
tion, and that the rule applies. I do not say it is a rule which can 
never be departed from; if upon the trial of a prisoner the judge 
should be of opinion that the disclosure of the name of the 
informant is necessary or right in order to shew the prisoner's 
innocence, then one public policy is in conflict with another 
public policy, and that which says that an innocent man is not 
to be condemned when his innocence can be proved is the policy 
that must prevail. But except in that case, this rule of public 
policy is not a matter of discretion; it is a rule of law, and as 
such should be applied by the judge at the trial, who should not 
' (1794), XXIV St. Tr. 199, at p. 808. 
2 (1890), 25 Q.B.D. 494 (C.A.), at pp. 498 and 500. 
treat it as a matter of discretion whether he should tell the 
witness to answer or not. 
In the same case Bowen L.J. said: 
The only exception to such a rule would be upon a criminal 
trial, when the judge if he saw that the strict enforcement of 
the rule would be likely to cause a miscarriage of justice, might 
relax it in favorem innocentiae; if he did not do so, there would 
be a risk of innocent people being convicted. 
In D. v. National Society for the Prevention of 
Cruelty to Children', Lord Simon of Glaisdale, 
after referring to the privilege from disclosure of 
sources of police information, said: 
Here, however, the law adds a rider. The public interest that 
no innocent man should be convicted of crime is so powerful 
that it outweighs the general public interest that sources of 
police information should not be divulged, so that, exceptional
ly, such evidence must be forthcoming when required to estab
lish innocence in a criminal trial: see the citations in Reg. v. 
Lewes Justices, Ex parte Secretary of State for the Home 
Department [1973] A.C. 388, 408A. It would appear that the 
balance of public interest has been struck, both in the general 
rule and in its rider, in such a way as to conduce to the general 
advantage of society, with the public interest in the administra
tion of justice as potent but not exclusive. 
In Regina v. Snider 4 , the British Columbia 
Court of Appeal and the Supreme Court of 
Canada' held that in a criminal prosecution the 
public interest in the administration of justice 
prevailed over the public interest asserted by the 
Minister of National Revenue in keeping income 
tax returns immune from disclosure. 
Sloan C.J.B.C., in the course of his reasons, 
observed: 
It seems to me that in circumstances of this kind some 
assistance may be obtained from the decisions in Marks v. 
Beyfus (1890), 25 Q.B.D. 494 at p. 498, and Humphrey v. 
Archibald (1893) 20 O.A.R. 267 at p. 270. As I read these 
cases they establish the principle that where public interests 
conflict that which is paramount must prevail. That being so it 
is my view that the due administration of public justice is 
paramount to the collection of Crown revenue. 
The same reasoning it seems to me would apply should an 
accused person desire the production of returns for the purpose 
of proving his innocence. There would be in this instance the 
lack of Government conflict but it seems to me that other basic 
3 [1978] A.C. 171 (H.L.), at p. 232. 
4 [1953] 2 D.L.R. 9 (B.C. C.A.), at pp. 13, 14, 16 and 43. 
5 [1954] S.C.R. 479, at p. 487. 
principles in opposition to those relied upon by the Minister 
cannot be ignored. In my opinion it is in the public interest that 
the life and liberty of an innocent person should not be unjustly 
imperilled. That interest is paramount and must also prevail. 
To that end then it is my view the trial Judge in a criminal case 
should be entitled to rule on the objection of the Minister to the 
same extent and for the same purpose when returns are sought 
by an accused person to prove his innocence as when the 
Attorney-General seeks their production as an aid in the pros
ecution of a man charged with a crime: Marks v. Beyfus, 
supra, and Humphrey v. Archibald, supra. 
My view rests upon the principle that where public interests 
conflict that which is paramount—in this instance the adminis
tration of criminal justice—must prevail. The Courts and not 
the Minister of National Revenue are the custodians of that 
justice. 
Robertson J.A., after reviewing the earlier 
authorities, held: 
The result of these decisions in my opinion is to hold that 
where two public policies are in conflict, that which is para
mount must prevail. The public policy relied upon by the 
Minister of National Revenue has only to do with the collection 
of revenue, while the other public policy, viz., that an innocent 
person should not be convicted, vitally affects the liberty of the 
subject, and therefore in my opinion there can be no question 
that it is paramount. 
In the Supreme Court of Canada, Kellock J. 
summed the matter up as follows: 
There is, accordingly, not only a public interest in maintaining 
the secrecy of documents where the public interest would 
otherwise be damnified, as, for example, where disclosure 
would be injurious to national defence or to good diplomatic 
relations, or where the practice of keeping a class of document 
is necessary for the proper functioning of the public service, but 
there is also a public interest which says that "an innocent man 
is not to be condemned when his innocence can be proved"; per 
Lord Esher M.R., in Marks v. Beyfus ((1890) 25 Q.B.D. 494 
at 498). It cannot be said, however, that either the one or the 
other must invariably be dominant. 
It is quite apparent from these authorities that 
the public interest in the due administration of 
criminal justice is one of great importance, an 
importance that is particularly weighty when dis
closure is required in order to establish the inno
cence of a person accused of a crime. Even so, 
however, the importance will, I think, vary with 
the gravity of the charge and the severity of the 
punishment which could be expected to result from 
a conviction. In Rex v. Hardy, to which reference 
has been made, the charge was high treason, the 
punishment for which at that time was to be 
publicly hanged and quartered. The importance of 
the public interest in the due administration of 
justice would hardly be as great if the information 
were required today for the defence of a traffic 
charge, though even in such a case the principle 
applies and the public interest in the due adminis
tration of justice can never be downgraded or 
regarded as light or weak. 
Important as that public interest is, however, I 
think it is apparent from the nature of the subject-
matter of international relations, national defence 
and national security that occasions when the 
importance of the public interest in maintaining 
immune from disclosure information the disclosure 
of which would be injurious to them is outweighed 
by the importance of the public interest in the due 
administration of justice, even in criminal matters, 
will be rare. 
In Reg. v. Lewes Justices, Ex parte Secretary of 
State for Home Department 6 , Lord Salmon said of 
this public interest: 
Clearly any evidence by a Minister of State commands the 
highest respect. If protection is claimed on the ground that 
disclosure of the contents of a document would imperil the 
safety of the state or diplomatic relations, then the courts would 
without question normally allow the claim. These are topics 
particularly within the province of the executive but of which 
the courts have little, if any, experience. What might appear 
innocuous to the uninitiated may in reality reveal important 
defence secrets or cause diplomatic difficulties. 
In R. v. Secretary of State for the Home 
Department, Ex parte Hosenba11 7 , Lord Denning 
M.R. described the importance of the public inter
est as follows: 
The public interest in the security of the realm is so great that 
the sources of the information must not be disclosed, nor should 
the nature of the information itself be disclosed, if there is any 
risk that it would lead to the sources being discovered. The 
reason is because, in this very secretive field, our enemies might 
try to eliminate the source of information. So the sources must 
not be disclosed. Not even to the House of Commons. Nor to 
any tribunal or court of inquiry or body of advisers, statutory or 
non-statutory, save to the extent that the Home Secretary 
thinks safe. Great as is the public interest in the freedom of the 
individual and the doing of justice to him, nevertheless in the 
last resort it must take second place to the security of the 
country itself. 
In D. v. National Society for the Prevention of 
Cruelty to Children, Lord Simon of Glaisdale said 
[at page 233]: 
6 [1973] A.C. 388 (H.L.), at p. 412. 
7 [1977] 3 All ER 452 (C.A.), at p. 460. 
Then, to take a further step still from the public interest in 
the administration of justice, the law recognises other relevant 
public interests which may not always even be immediately 
complementary. For example, national security. If a society is 
disrupted or overturned by internal or external enemies, the 
administration of justice will itself be among the casualties. 
Silent enim leges inter arma. So the law says that, important as 
it is to the administration of justice that all relevant evidence 
should be adduced to the court, such evidence must be withheld 
if, on the balance of public interest, the peril of its adduction to 
national security outweighs its benefit to the forensic process— 
as to which, as regards national security in its strictest sense, a 
ministerial certificate will almost always be regarded as conclu
sive: see Lord Parker of Waddington in The Zamora [1916] 2 
A.C. 77, 107. 
Finally, in The Solicitor General of Canada et 
al. v. The Royal Commission of Inquiry into the 
Confidentiality of Health Records in Ontario et 
al. 8 , Martland J. wrote: 
The foundation for the existence of this rule of law, which 
evolved in respect of the field of criminal investigation, is even 
stronger in relation to the function of the police in protecting 
national security. A large number of the instances in which, in 
the present case, it was sought to obtain from the police the 
names of their informants concerned police investigation into 
potential violence against officers of the state, including heads 
of state. These investigations were admittedly proper police 
functions. The rule of law which protects against the disclosure 
of informants in the police investigation of crime has even 
greater justification in relation to the protection of national 
security against violence and terrorism. 
On the present application counsel for the appli
cants submitted on more than one occasion that no 
claim for public interest immunity from disclosure 
of information required by a person accused of a 
criminal offence has ever been upheld in this 
Country and that this Court should not be the first 
to create such a precedent. Immunity from disclo
sure was, however, upheld in England in Attorney-
General v. Briant 9 and in New South Wales in Ex 
parte Attorney-General; Re Cook and Others. 10 
Assuming, however, that there is no such Canadi-
an precedent, it is, I think, equally correct that on 
no occasion has a claim for immunity from disclo
sure of information on grounds of injury to nation
al security or international relations been over
ruled. Indeed it is unlikely that such a claim if 
8 [1981] 2 S.C.R. 494, at p. 537. 
9 (1846), 15 M. & W. 168. 
10 (1967), 86 W.N. (Pt. 2) (N.S.W.) 222 (C.A.). 
properly made could have been overruled under 
the previous legislation. In Attorney General of the 
Province of Quebec et al. v. The Attorney General 
of Canada et al.", Pigeon J. referred to the situa
tion as follows [at pages 248-249]: 
No question is raised as to the constitutional validity and 
applicability of s. 41, and I find it unnecessary to review the 
well known decisions of the House of Lords in Duncan v. 
Cammell Laird & Co. Ltd. ([1942] A.C. 624) and Conway v. 
Rimmer ([1968] A.C. 910), in which somewhat different views 
were taken of the nature of the privilege in question at common 
law. Parliament has subsequently enacted explicit provisions 
which spell out the law for Canada and the affidavit submitted 
to the Commissioner was obviously made under subs. 2 of s. 41. 
There was much discussion at the hearing whether such an 
affidavit is really conclusive or may somehow be challenged. I 
do not find it necessary to decide this point because, if such an 
affidavit can be challenged this may be done only before a 
court of competent jurisdiction and a commissioner is not such 
a court and does not enjoy the powers of such a court. 
But while subsection 36.1(2) now permits 
examination by the Court of the information 
sought, the subsection, in my opinion, also mani
fests an intention to confer on the Court a discre
tion as to whether or not to make such an 
examination. 
In a long series of cases decided on the common 
law relating to what was formerly referred to as 
"Crown privilege" and now as "public interest 
privilege" it has been held that the court has 
authority to examine documents in respect of 
which privilege is claimed, for the purpose of 
deciding whether the claim should be overruled. It 
has also been held that it is for the court to decide 
whether or not a sufficient case has been made out 
to persuade the court of the need to examine the 
documents for that purpose. These cases, which 
include Robinson v. State of South Australia (No. 
21 12 , Conway v. Rimmer and Another'', Burmah 
Oil Co. Ltd. v. Governor and Company of the 
Bank of England and Another 14 , and Air Canada 
and Others v. Secretary of State for Trade and 
" [1979] 1 S.C.R. 218. 
12 [1931] A.C. 704 (P.C.). 
13 [1968] A.C. 910 (H.L.). 
14 [1980] A.C. 1090 (H.L.). 
Another 15 , are civil litigation cases in which the 
issues decided arose at the discovery stage. In 
some instances, notably the Robinson and Air 
Canada cases, the judgments turn at least to some 
extent on the wording of the rule of the court 
relating to discovery of documents. The English 
rule, Order 24, rule 13, reads: 
13.—(1) No order for the production of any documents for 
inspection or to the Court shall be made under any of the 
foregoing rules unless the Court is of opinion that the order is 
necessary either for disposing fairly of the cause or matter or 
for saving costs. 
(2) Where on an application under this Order for production 
of any document for inspection or to the Court privilege from 
such production is claimed or objection is made to such produc
tion on any other ground, the Court may inspect the document 
for the purpose of deciding whether the claim or objection is 
valid. 
Similarly worded rules are in effect in many 
jurisdictions. Rule 457 of the Federal Court Rules 
is roughly equivalent to the second paragraph of 
the English rule. 
In Robinson v. State of South Australia [No. 
2], the Privy Council, after holding that the Court 
had authority to order disclosure notwithstanding 
a claim for privilege and to inspect for the purpose 
of deciding whether to make such an order, went 
on to hold that the Rule of Court, which was 
similar to the English rule, was broad enough to 
refer to claims for privilege of a public interest 
nature and thus to govern the procedure to be 
followed in dealing with such a claim. That view 
was disapproved by the House of Lords in Duncan 
and Another v. Cammell, Laird and Company, 
Limited 16 . But in Air Canada and Others v. 
Secretary of State for Trade and Another four of 
the five law lords who heard the appeal referred to 
the rule and the practice under it as the basis of 
their reasons for deciding not to inspect the docu
ments there in question. I mention this because 
here there is no such rule to apply and for that 
reason some of the reasoning in the Air Canada 
decision may not be applicable. 
However, apart altogether from rules of court, 
what subsection 36.1(2) appears to me to do is to 
vest in the Court authority to examine the infor-
15 [1983] 2 W.L.R. 494; [1983] 1 All ER 910 (H.L.). 
16 [1942] A.C. 624 (H.L.), at p. 641. 
mation sought. The subsection uses the word 
"may" which is not mandatory but permissive and 
it appears to me that the nature of the application 
is such that before exercising the authority to 
examine the information the judge hearing the 
application will have to be persuaded on the ma
terial that is before him either that the case for 
disclosure, that is to say, the importance of the 
public interest in disclosure, in the circumstances 
outweighs the importance of the public interest in 
keeping the information immune from disclosure 
or, at the least, that the balance is equal and calls 
for examination of the information in order to 
determine which public interest is more important 
in the particular circumstances. This interpreta
tion, which appears to me to be in harmony with 
the approach to the problem adopted by the House 
of Lords in the Air Canada case and that of the 
earlier development of the law relating to exami
nation of documents by the Court in such situa
tions, is, I think, open on the wording of subsection 
36.1(2) and should, I think, be adopted. In it the 
object of the Court's examination, when an exami
nation takes place, will be to ascertain whether a 
preponderance of importance in favour of disclo
sure exists. That seems to be the expressed inten
tion of the subsection. On the other hand, if no 
apparent case for disclosure has been made out, if 
the balance does not so much as appear to be even, 
the preponderance obviously favours the upholding 
of the objection and in such a situation I do not 
think the subsection requires the Court to examine 
the information to see if it will tip the balance the 
other way. To interpret the subsection otherwise 
would, as it seems to me, make it necessary for the 
Court to examine the information in every case. I 
think it is unlikely that that was Parliament's 
intention and more especially so where the objec
tion is based on matters of such obvious sensitivity 
as national security, national defence and interna
tional relations. 
The approach to the question whether an inspec
tion should be made is discussed by Lord Wilber-
force in the Burmah Oil case, at page 1116, as 
follows: 
This brings me to the issue of inspection. For now it is said, 
"Well, let us look at the documents and see—to do so cannot do 
any harm. If there is nothing there no damage will be done: if 
there is, we can weigh its importance." As presented (and to be 
fair to Burmah's very able counsel, such a submission occupied 
a far from prominent place in their argument) this may appear 
to have some attraction. But with all respect to those who think 
otherwise, I am firmly of opinion that we should not yield to 
this siren song. The existing state of the authorities is against it: 
and no good case can be made for changing the law. Indeed, to 
do so would not in my opinion be progress. 
After citing opinions expressed in a number of 
cases, Lord Wilberforce continued [at page 1117]: 
As to principle, I cannot think that it is desirable that the 
courts should assume the task of inspection except in rare 
instances where a strong positive case is made out, certainly not 
upon a bare unsupported assertion by the party seeking produc
tion that something to help him may be found, or upon some 
unsupported—viz., speculative—hunch of its own. In the first 
place it is necessary to draw a reasonably clear line between the 
responsibility of ministers on the one hand, and those of the 
courts on the other. Each has its proper contribution to make 
towards solution of the problem where the public interest lies— 
judicial review is not a "bonum in se" it is a part—and a 
valuable one—of democratic government in which other 
responsibilities coexist. Existing cases, from Conway v. Rimmer 
onwards, have drawn this line carefully and suitably. It is for 
the minister to define the public interest and the grounds on 
which he considers that production would affect it. Similarly, 
the court, responsible for the administration of justice, should, 
before it decides that the minister's view must give way, have 
something positive or identifiable to put into the scales. To 
override the minister's opinion by "amorphous" phrases, or 
unsupported contentions, would be to do precisely what the 
courts will not countenance in the actions of ministers. Second
ly, decisions on grounds of public interest privilege fall to be 
made at first instance, by judges or masters in chambers. They 
should be able to make these decisions according to simple 
rules: these are provided by the law as it stands. To invite a 
general procedure of inspection is to embark the courts on a 
dangerous course: they have not in general the time nor the 
experience, to carry out in every case a careful inspection of 
documents and thereafter a weighing process. The results of 
such a process may, indeed are likely, to be variable from court 
to court and from case to case. This case provides an example 
of opposite conclusions come to upon identical materials: see 
[1979] 1 W.L.R. 473. This inevitable uncertainty is not likely 
to do credit to the administration of justice and is bound to 
encourage appeals. 
Some years earlier Lord Reid had said in 
Conway v. Rimmer and Another, at page 953: 
It appears to me that, if the Minister's reasons are such that 
a judge can properly weigh them, he must, on the other hand, 
consider what is the probable importance in the case before him 
of the documents or other evidence sought to be withheld. If he 
decides that on balance the documents probably ought to be 
produced, I think that it would generally be best that he should 
see them before ordering production and if he thinks that the 
Minister's reasons are not clearly expressed he will have to see 
the documents before ordering production. I can see nothing 
wrong in the judge seeing documents without their being shown 
to the parties. Lord Simon said (in Duncan's case ([19421 A.C. 
624, 640)) that "where the Crown is a party ... this would 
amount to communicating with one party to the exclusion of 
the other." I do not agree. The parties see the Minister's 
reasons. Where a document has not been prepared for the 
information of the judge, it seems to me a misuse of language 
to say that the judge "communicates with" the holder of the 
document by reading it. If on reading the document he still 
thinks that it ought to be produced he will order its production. 
One of the points dealt with by counsel in their 
arguments was that of which side had the onus of 
proof. In my view it is apparent from the foregoing 
as well as from the form of subsection 36.1(2) that 
the onus of showing that the public interest in 
disclosure, in the circumstances, outweighs in 
importance the public interest in national security 
and international relations put forth in the 
respondent's certificate rested on the applicants. 
Counsel for the applicants drew attention to the 
recent decision of the Supreme Court in Small-
wood v. Sparling" where, in dealing with a claim 
for immunity put forward on grounds of Cabinet 
secrecy by a former premier of Newfoundland who 
had been subpoenaed to testify at a public inquiry, 
Wilson J. said [at page 7071: 
On the authority of the Cape case (supra) it seems to me 
that the onus would be on Mr. Smallwood to establish that the 
public interest in joint cabinet responsibility would be prejud
iced by any particular disclosure he was being asked to make. 
Any blanket claim to immunity on this basis must, in my view, 
also fail. 
I do not read this passage as referring to the 
onus of proof in a situation calling for determina
tion under subsection 36.1(2) of the Canada Evi
dence Act. In the Smallwood case there was no 
applicable statute and the claim for immunity was 
being made not by a Minister of the Crown but by 
a former Minister who was seeking an injunction 
enjoining the respondents from acting upon a sub
poena requiring him to testify and before any 
question had been put to him or any request for 
any specific information or document for which 
public interest privilege could be claimed had been 
made. It is thus understandable that if Mr. Small-
wood's objection to disclosure, whether taken in 
the proceeding which ended with his appeal to the 
Supreme Court or at the inquiry, were to succeed, 
the onus would be, initially at any rate, on him to 
17 [1982] 2 S.C.R. 686; 44 N.R. 571. 
show that the particular information sought was 
such that it would be injurious to the public inter
est to have it disclosed. As a private citizen he 
would be obliged to put before the Court at least 
as much information and with the like particularly 
as is required by the courts when a Minister of the 
Crown files an affidavit raising a claim for public 
interest immunity. 
I do not read the paragraph cited from the 
Smallwood decision as meaning anything beyond 
that. I do not think it refers to the issue as to the 
relative importance of conflicting public interests. 
But, whether it does or not, in the present case the 
material put before me by both sides is such that, 
in my view, nothing any longer turns on a question 
of onus. 
I turn now to the facts and the material put 
before me by the parties. 
At the time when the offences are alleged to 
have been committed, that is to say, between 
August 8, 1972, and January 8, 1973, both appli
cants were non-commissioned officers of the Royal 
Canadian Mounted Police [hereinafter referred to 
as the R.C.M.P.], stationed in Montreal and 
employed in the Security Service of that force. The 
charges arise out of what has been known as the 
"Ham" operation, an episode in which a number 
of officers and other ranks of the Security Service 
participated and, in the course of which, premises 
were entered and computer tapes recording mem
bership lists of a political party were removed and 
copied and then replaced. Nine other members or 
former members of the force are similarly charged. 
In one case, that of Inspector Claude Vermette, 
the trial of the charges began on April 13, 1982, 
and continued until May 7, 1982, when a mistrial 
was declared. That prosecution was subsequently 
stayed by order of the Superior Court, an order 
which I was informed is under appeal by the 
Crown. 
Earlier there had been two public enquiries into 
matters which included the "Ham" operation. One 
of these was the McDonald Commission enquiry 
established by Order in Council P.C. 1977-1911 of 
July 6, 1977, pursuant to Part I of the Inquiries 
Act, R.S.C. 1970, c. I-13, to investigate and report 
on, inter alia, activities of the R.C.M.P. "not 
authorized or provided for by law." Evidence was 
taken by the Commission over a period of several 
years and several reports were made which includ
ed references to the "Ham" operation and a spe
cial chapter on it which has not been published. 
The other enquiry was by the Keable Commission 
established by the Government of the Province of 
Quebec. 
Procedure 
As no rules of procedure have been established 
for an application brought pursuant to subsection 
36.2(1), on lodging the application, counsel for the 
applicants also applied for an order for directions 
on the hearing of which on January 24, 1983, it 
was directed, inter alia: 
2. That the Applicants, on or before February 7th, 1983, file in 
the Registry of the Federal Court at Ottawa the affidavit and 
other evidence to be referred to in support of their position 
together with a memorandum stating the facts on which they 
rely and the points intended to be argued in support of their 
position, with an appendix containing copies of the particular 
portions of any evidence on which they rely in support of their 
position, and deliver copies of all of the same to the 
Respondent's counsel; 
3. That the Respondent, on or before February 21st, 1983, file 
in the Registry of the Federal Court at Ottawa the affidavit 
and other evidence to be referred to in support of his position 
together with a memorandum stating the facts on which he 
relies and the points intended to be argued in support of his 
position, with an appendix containing copies of the particular 
portions of any evidence on which he relies in support of his 
position, and deliver copies of all of the same to the Applicants' 
counsel; 
and that the matter be heard at Ottawa commenc
ing on March 1, 1983. 
Applicants' Material 
Pursuant to these directions the applicants filed 
an affidavit of the applicant, Gilbert Albert, refer
ring to the application for determination of the 
objection and the appendices thereto, reciting the 
history of the charges, the subpoena and the objec
tion and referring to the aborted trial of Inspector 
Vermette. Paragraphs 9, 10 and 11 are as follows: 
[TRANSLATION] 9. During the said trial of Inspector Vermette 
several witnesses were heard, at the request of both the pros
ecution and the defence, and in the course of the testimony 
several facts reflected in the documents requested by the afore
mentioned subpoena (Appendix "C" to the aforesaid letter of 
January 13, 1983), and covered by the certificate mentioned in 
paragraph 6 above (Appendix "D" to the letter of January 13, 
1983) were brought out; in this connection, I file the following 
exhibits: 
(a) a transcript of the testimony given at the trial of Inspec
tor Vermette, as Exhibit "E"; 
(b) all the cassettes of the tape recording of the trial of 
Inspector Vermette, as Exhibit "F"; 
10. The circumstances and facts which led to the charges laid 
against my co-applicant and myself are set forth in general in a 
secret report prepared by the Commission of Inquiry Concern
ing Certain Activities of the Royal Canadian Mounted Police 
(McDonald Commission), which I file as Exhibit "G"; 
11. To explain the background to Exhibit "G", I further file a 
two-page extract from the public report of the said Commis
sion, as Exhibit "H". 
The document referred to as Exhibit "G" is the 
unpublished chapter of the McDonald Commission 
report dealing specifically with the "Ham" opera
tion. Exhibit "H" merely puts it in context. 
In the course of the nine-day hearing of the 
application, several additions to this material were 
admitted which have been identified by the letters 
F-1, F-2, F-2(a), I, J, K, L and M. 
F-1 is a cassette of the cross-examination of 
Superintendent R. B. Gavin on April 30, 1982, on 
an affidavit sworn by him on April 29, 1982, as to 
the results of a search for documents requested by 
a subpoena issued in the Vermette trial on behalf 
of the defence. 
F-2 is a copy of the cassette tape record of the 
proceedings at the Vermette trial on April 13, 14 
and 15, 1982. 
F-2(a) is a copy of the reasons for judgment of 
Madam Justice Barrette-Joncas given on April 19, 
1982, dismissing motions made on behalf of the 
defence to stay the proceedings in the Vermette 
trial. 
I is a copy of a memorandum dated April 21, 
1971 setting out internal procedure in the 
R.C.M.P. for securing authorization for carrying 
out operations involving surreptitious entries on 
premises. It is marked "Top Secret" but was 
admitted as Exhibit D-5 at the Vermette trial and 
is no longer restricted. 
J is also marked "Secret" but was produced as 
Exhibit D-6 at the Vermette trial and is no longer 
secret. It is an R.C.M.P. memorandum apparently 
written in or before 1972 setting out objectives and 
goals of the technical support service known as E 
Branch in the security and intelligence service or 
directorate of the force. 
K is a copy of the affidavit of April 29, 1982 on 
which Superintendent Gavin was cross-examined. 
L is an affidavit of May 3, 1982 sworn by 
Robert Phillip Kaplan, the Solicitor General of 
Canada, objecting under subsection 41(2) of the 
Federal Court Act to the production or disclosure 
of documents listed in a subpoena issued on behalf 
of the defence in the Vermette trial and to testimo
ny as to the contents of such documents on the 
ground that such production, disclosure and tes
timony would be prejudicial to national security. 
M is a transcript of a portion of a submission 
made in the course of the Vermette trial by Crown 
counsel in which he indicates that he challenges 
the credibility of Robert Potvin, a witness for the 
defence and one of the alleged conspirators against 
whom charges similar to those against the appli
cants are pending, as to the reasons for the mount
ing of the "Ham" operation. 
A request by counsel for the applicants that a 
copy of the record of a speech made by the 
Premier of Quebec in the National Assembly 
which resulted in the Vermette trial being aborted 
be added to the record was opposed by counsel for 
the respondent and was denied. 
As a result of submissions made by counsel for 
the respondent based to a large extent on the 
speeches in the House of Lords in Air Canada and 
Others v. Secretary of State for Trade and 
Another which were given and became available 
during the course of the hearing of this applica
tion, counsel for the applicants, in the course of 
reply, asked for and was granted leave to file 
further affidavits with respect to the applicants' 
need for the documents at their trial. 
Pursuant to the leave so given a further affidavit 
of the applicant, Gilbert Albert, was filed on 
March 21, 1983 and an affidavit of the applicant, 
Maurice Goguen, was filed on March 31, 1983. 
The affidavit of the applicant, Gilbert Albert, 
deposes that he intends to testify at his trial and to 
call Robert Potvin as a defence witness, and that 
both the latter's evidence and his own are essential 
to establish his defence. 
Paragraph 5 of the affidavit states: 
[TRANSLATION] In the course of my defence, I intend to 
prove the following: 
(a) Operation Ham was not a criminal operation; 
(b) the said operation was undertaken for sound reasons 
relating to the investigations of the Security Service of the 
Royal Canadian Mounted Police; 
(c) the said operation was a part of the investigative methods 
discussed, planned, used and approved by "E" Branch and 
the senior staff of the Security Service at the time in 
question; 
(d) by taking part in the said operation, I did not act 
"fraudulently" or "without a colour of right"; 
The deponent goes on to say that his evidence 
and that of Robert Potvin is essential to establish 
the elements of his defence mentioned in para
graph 5, that because of objections by counsel for 
the respondent and because he does not have secu
rity clearance he has not been able to see the lists 
of items attached to the subpoena, that he has 
been advised by his counsel that the documents 
mentioned in the subpoena as well as the disclo
sure of their contents are essential for the purpose 
of establishing the elements of his defence and that 
the certificate of the respondent would prevent the 
proof of facts which are an essential and integral 
part of his defence. 
The applicant, Maurice Goguen, in his affidavit, 
states that should the Crown succeed in proving 
that he participated in the planning or execution of 
Operation Ham, he intends to testify on his own 
behalf, that he also intends to call Robert Potvin 
as a witness on his behalf and that should it 
become necessary to offer a defence he intends, 
inter alla, to prove: 
a) There was no general intent to commit a crime in the 
planning and execution of Operation "HAM"; 
b) Operation "HAM" was not a criminal act; 
c) No one acted fraudulently or without colour of right in the 
planning and execution of Operation "HAM"; 
d) There was no intent to deprive anyone, temporarily or 
absolutely, of anything in the planning and execution of 
Operation "HAM"; 
The deponent goes on to describe three areas of 
investigations being conducted at the material time 
by the G Branch of the Security Service, in which 
he was employed, and to say that he was familiar 
with the context of the documents and files of the 
Security Service of the R.C.M.P. relating to two of 
these areas when Operation Ham was planned and 
executed and was aware of the investigation being 
conducted in the third area as well, that Operation 
Ham was planned and executed for serious reasons 
as part of these three ongoing investigations, that 
it will be necessary for him to prove the existence 
of these serious reasons at his trial and that they 
are based on data which the Security Service of 
the R.C.M.P. had in its possession at the material 
time and which are found in documents and files 
of the Security Service as they existed at the time 
of the planning and execution of Operation Ham. 
The affidavit then proceeds: 
17. Items 3 to 24 of the annex to the subpoena addressed to the 
respondent are very likely to contain material directly relating 
to the investigations described in paragraph 10 of this affidavit; 
18. The said items would give substantial support to the 
defenses mentioned in paragraph 8 of this affidavit and, with
out them, I might be deprived of the means of proper presenta
tion of my case; 
19. Moreover, in order to offer a full and complete defense, 
should it prove necessary to do so, I need to testify fully in 
connection with the investigation described in paragraph 10 of 
this affidavit, and further need the testimony of the said Robert 
Potvin and of others in connection therewith; 
20. Operation "HAM" would not have been planned and under
taken without the prior and continuous approval of my then 
superior officers at the Headquarters of the Royal Canadian 
Mounted Police in Ottawa and in Montreal; 
21. Some of these superior officers are named as my co-cons
pirators in the charge laid against me; 
22. Items 1, 2 and 25 to 28 of the annex to the subpoena 
addressed to the respondent and items 8 to 19 of Schedule "A" 
to the respondent's certificate of January 12, 1983 are relevant 
to the authorization given by my said superior officers, includ
ing some of those alleged to have been my co-conspirators; 
23. The said items are very likely to contain material which 
would give substantial support to the issue of the intent of the 
said superior officers, and their motivation, in approving Oper
ation "HAM" and, without them, I might be deprived of the 
means of a proper presentation of my case; 
24. Prior to my testimony before the Commission of Inquiry 
Concerning Certain Activities of the Royal Canadian Mounted 
Police referred to in paragraphs 5 and 6 of the said respond
ent's certificate, I read items 1 to 7 of Schedule "A" to the said 
certificate, these items being excerpts from the files of the 
Security Service of the Royal Canadian Mounted Police and 
being relevant to the serious reasons why operation "HAM" was 
authorized, planned and executed; 
25. The said items are very likely to contain material which 
would give substantial support to the defenses mentioned in 
paragraph 8 of this affidavit and to the intent of the said 
superior officers and their motivation in approving Operation 
"HAM" and, without them, I might be deprived of the means of 
a proper presentation of my case; 
Respondent's Material 
I turn now to the material put before me in 
support of the objection. This consists of the first 
five and eighth appendices referred to in and 
accompanying the respondent's memorandum of 
facts and points for argument and two further 
documents received during the course of the hear
ing and numbered 9 and 10, an affidavit of the 
respondent marked "Top Secret" which was 
marked as filed on February 21, 1983, and then 
returned to the custody of the Deputy Solicitor 
General where it has remained except when in use 
at the course of the hearing. Counsel for the 
applicants have had access to this affidavit. The 
appendices referred to are: 
1. A copy of the certificate of the respondent 
filed in the Superior Court. 
2. The first, second and third reports of the 
McDonald Commission, consisting of four 
volumes in all. 
3. A list of the references in the second and third 
reports of the Commission to the practice of 
surreptitious entries both in the Security Service 
and the Criminal Investigation Branch of the 
R.C.M.P. 
4. A group of approximately 56 documents filed 
before the McDonald Commission and there 
identified as Exhibit F-1. The documents, as I 
was informed, bear information the publication 
of which would enable a knowledgeable person 
to infer further facts which are secret. 
5. This appendix is an edited version of the 
documents in Appendix 4. It has been released 
to the applicants. 
8. Transcripts of the evidence given by the appli
cants before the McDonald Commission on 
April 24 and 25, 1978. 
9. A copy of an affidavit of Robert Phillip 
Kaplan, Solicitor General of Canada, sworn on 
April 8, 1982 and filed at the Vermette trial 
objecting under subsection 41(2) of the Federal 
Court Act to the disclosure of documents sought 
by a subpoena issued by the Superior Court to 
the Deputy Solicitor General of Canada on 
grounds that the production of the documents or 
the disclosure of their contents would be pre
judicial to international relations or national 
security. 
10. A copy of a further affidavit similar to that 
numbered 9 sworn by Mr. Kaplan on April 27, 
1982 objecting to the production of documents 
on an attached list. 
The secret affidavit of the respondent is a 
lengthy document consisting of 26 pages and 
having a total of 63 paragraphs. The first 16 
paragraphs refer to the subpoena and the certifi
cate and set out general propositions in relation to 
national security and international relations, the 
reasons why secrecy of information is required, 
and the ways in which disclosure of such informa
tion would be injurious to national security and 
international relations. 
Objection was taken by the applicants to 
paragraph 6 on the ground that it expresses an 
opinion which it was submitted the deponent was 
not qualified to give. As a person whose career and 
experience have brought him to the position of 
Deputy Solicitor General, the deponent is, I think, 
sufficiently qualified to state anything that is in 
paragraph 6 that can be regarded as an opinion. I 
would accordingly overrule the objection. I would, 
however, be of the same opinion even if paragraph 
6 were completely disregarded. 
In the remaining 47 paragraphs of the affidavit 
each of the items referred to in the certificate is 
dealt with by giving (except in the cases of two 
items which either were not found or in which no 
documents of the relevant period were found) a 
brief description of its contents and stating the 
ways in which disclosure would affect national 
security or international relations or both. 
Applicants' Case 
The basis of the applicants' case for disclosure 
of the information appears from the following 
excerpts from their memorandum of facts and law. 
It is the contention of the applicants that the evidence objected 
to is essential to allow them to offer a full answer and defence 
to the charges laid against them. 
It is also the contention of the applicants that the disclosure of 
the evidence sought from Mr. Osbaldeston and from the 
respondent, and of the oral evidence relating to the contents of 
the said documents, is not injurious to the national security of 
Canada and to international relations and, in the alternative, 
that the public interest in disclosure outweighs in importance 
the public interest outlined in the certificate. 
The documents described in the subpoenas duces tecum served 
upon the federal authorities are required by the accused in 
order to make proof of the circumstances under which and the 
purposes for which the R.C.M.P. operation in question (called 
"Operation Ham") was undertaken and in order to support the 
defence of good faith and honest belief in the lawfulness of the 
operation. 
It is not really disputed that members of the R.C.M.P. Security 
Service "broke and entered" into the premises of "Les Mes-
sageries Dynamiques" during the night, took the tapes to 
another building, copied the information recorded thereon, and 
returned the tapes several hours later to the exact place from 
which they had been taken. Nor is there any dispute about the 
fact that the operation was carried out following approval at 
the highest level of the R.C.M.P. Security Service. The issues 
between the Crown and Defence relate to the purposes for 
which the operation was undertaken and the legal consequences 
flowing therefrom. 
The defence maintains that "Operation Ham" was carried out 
for the purpose of gathering information of importance to the 
R.C.M.P. Security Service in the execution of its mandate with 
respect to the following matters: 
a) Investigation into the leakage of classified information of 
the federal government by persons in its employ to members 
of the P.Q. The R.C.M.P. had information indicating that 
several leading members of the P.Q. had formed a network 
that was actively engaged in efforts to obtain such informa
tion. These activities included attempts to recruit members of 
the R.C.M.P. in order to get from them classified informa
tion of interest to the P.Q. 
b) Investigation into interference by several foreign govern-
ments—both "friendly" and "unfriendly"—into the internal 
affairs of Canada through clandestine collaboration with, 
and support of, movements aimed at separating Quebec from 
Canada. In this connection, the R.C.M.P. was seized with a 
written request from a high official in the Prime Minister's 
office to investigate information regarding a $350,000 
clandestine contribution by a foreign government to the P.Q. 
It should be noted that the matters described in paragraphs a) 
and b) are not unrelated to one another since the same mem
bers of the P.Q. who were involved in attempts to obtain 
classified government information, were also communicating 
with agents of foreign government(s) referred to above. 
c) Investigation directed toward the prevention of terrorist 
actions in support of Quebec independence. 
The R.C.M.P. was determined to prevent renewed acts of 
terrorism rather than to merely react after the fact, as had 
happened in the Cross and Laporte cases in 1970. In this 
context, it was important for the Security Service to keep track 
of the location and activities of known terrorists and their 
supporters. 
Although there were indications of a possible renewal of terror
ism, Pierre Vallières, who had preached violence in support of 
Quebec independence, had recently appeared to change his 
strategy, appealing to his followers to renounce violence in 
favour of political activity through organizations such as the 
P.Q. The Security Service wished to learn a) how many persons 
who had been involved in terrorist activities had joined the 
P.Q., b) where those persons were located and what they were 
doing and c) whether there were significant groupings of them 
in any of the P.Q. riding associations. 
The reasons for Operation Ham, the thinking that led to it and 
the explanation as to how the information recorded on the P.Q. 
tapes was related to the investigations being conducted by the 
R.C.M.P. Security Service at the relevant times, is found in the 
testimony of Maurice Goguen, Gilbert Albert and Robert 
Potvin at the trial of Inspector Claude Vermette, one of the 
alleged co-conspirators, that took place before a judge of the 
Quebec Superior Court, sitting with a jury, in the spring of 
1982. Messrs. Goguen and Albert were called by the Crown 
and Mr. Potvin testified for the Defence. All three were 
members of the Security Service at the relevant times and were 
involved with the Ham Operation, the first two in Montreal 
and the third in Ottawa. All three are indicted as alleged 
co-conspirators. It was during the cross-examination of Mr. 
Potvin by Crown counsel that the Premier of Quebec unleashed 
a tirade in the National Assembly that led the presiding judge, 
Madam Justice Claire Barrette-Joncas, to declare a mistrial on 
May 7, 1982. This was followed by a stay of proceedings 
ordered by Mr. Justice Benjamin Greenberg of the Superior 
Court on October 1st, 1982, an order from which the Crown 
has appealed. 
The debate between the Crown and Defence is not restricted to 
issues of law but extends to important questions of fact, namely 
the very purpose for which "Operation Ham" was conceived 
and executed. In his examination of Maurice Goguen and his 
cross-examination of Robert Potvin, Mr. Jean-Pierre Bonin for 
the Crown challenged the explanations given by them. He 
strongly suggested that the real purpose for Operation Ham 
was that of identifying separatists in the federal and provincial 
governments in order to prevent their promotion, and that all 
the other reasons referred to above were created as justifica
tions after the fact .... 
In order to defend themselves, the accused must be able to 
explain fully to the jury the context in which and the purposes 
for which "Operation Ham" was undertaken. They cannot do 
this unless they are permitted to have access to, testify about 
and produce in court the documents that they worked with and 
relied upon at material times in connection with the very 
matters that the operation involved. The fact that the case 
concerns events that occurred almost eleven years ago accentu
ates the need for this material. In this connection, we refer your 
Lordship to Appendix 3, which includes the relevant testimony 
of Messrs. Goguen, Albert and Potvin at the Vermette trial, 
where they express the difficulties flowing from the prohibition 
against their having access to, referring to the contents of, or 
producing in court the files and documents that they worked 
with at the relevant times. The said documents are those 
described in the subpoena to Mr. Osbaldeston and at para
graphs 1 to 24 of the subpoena to the Respondent. Paragraphs 
2 and 3 of the certificate relate to them. 
The foregoing relates principally to the circumstances and 
purposes of "Operation Ham". Documents are required as well 
in order to support the submission by the accused that they 
believed the operation to be lawful, since surreptitious entries 
for the purpose of obtaining information required for national 
security (known as "Puma" operations) were a well-estab
lished, official method of operation within the R.C.M.P. Secu
rity Service. 
The documents described in paragraphs 25 to 28 of the sub
poena to Mr. F. Gibson and at paragraph 2 of the certificate 
deal with various aspects of such operations, including 
R.C.M.P. policies, objectives, guidelines, planning and financ
ing. 
In theft, the state of mind of an accused is particularly relevant 
to his guilt or innocence. The mere taking of another's property 
is not in itself a crime. The taking must be done not only with 
intent to deprive that person, temporarily or absolutely, of his 
property, but must be done "fraudulently and without colour of 
right". The defence in the present case not only denies an intent 
to deprive the owners of the tapes of their property, either 
temporarily or permanently, but denies as well that the acts 
which form the subject of these charges were done "fraudulent-
ly and without colour of right". 
At the Vermette trial Crown counsel questioned witnesses as to 
the reasons for the Ham Operation and expressed the view that 
such testimony was relevant. The presiding Judge, Madam 
Justice Claire Barrette-Joncas, ruled that the reasons for the 
operation were admissible as relevant to the state of mind of 
those who participated in its planning or execution. 
The Applicants Goguen and Albert will submit at their trial 
that they acted in good faith, for serious reasons connected to 
their duties as members of the R.C.M.P. Security Service and 
based on the information available to them through the various 
files and documents that they worked with. They will submit as 
well that they acted in the honest belief that their actions were 
lawful. The documents described in both subpoenas and object
ed to in the certificate are required by them in order to support 
their defence to the effect that Operation Ham was undertaken 
for the reasons indicated above, on the basis of information 
referred to above and in the belief as to its legality referred to 
above. 
The objection made by the Respondent, should it stand, will 
prevent the accused from explaining to the jury why they 
performed the acts complained of and will deprive them of 
essential evidence required in support of their defence. 
Respondent's Case 
The respondent's answer to this is that: 
1. Under subsection 36.1(2) the onus is on the 
applicants to show that "in the circumstances of 
the case, the public interest in disclosure outweighs 
in importance the specified public interest", that 
this onus is particularly heavy where the specified 
public interest is the preservation from injury of 
national security or international relations or, as in 
this case, both, that the preservation of national 
security and international relations has been recog
nized as a higher public concern than the protec
tion of other public interests and that where, as 
here, the certificate reveals a valid and well-found
ed claim for public interest immunity the courts 
have been reluctant to inspect documents under 
objection and this is particularly so where the 
public interest invoked is the protection from 
injury of national security or international rela
tions. The courts have recognized as well that 
information relating to national security or inter
national relations may require immunity from dis
closure indefinitely or long after information privi
leged on other grounds might safely be disclosed. 
2. On an application of this kind the Court should 
proceed in two stages, that is to say, to determine 
first whether on the evidence for and against dis
closure there is any need for the Court to examine 
the documents and that if the certificate and any 
supporting material indicate that there has been a 
careful consideration of the documents requested 
and provide clear and convincing reasons for non-
disclosure, as it was submitted they do in this case, 
the Court should dismiss the application without 
examining the documents save in exceptional cir
cumstances which may be made out in a criminal 
case, but which are not made out here, where an 
applicant has demonstrated that a particular docu
ment of which he seeks production contains infor
mation that is necessary to establish his innocence. 
Only if the Court concludes that it is necessary to 
examine a document should the Court proceed to 
make such examination to weigh the competing 
interests and to determine whether the public in
terest in non-disclosure has been outweighed. 
3. The applicants have failed to demonstrate that 
the Court should examine any of the documents in 
that: 
(a) in seeking production of some 8,200 pages of 
documents, they have failed to establish that 
any of the documents probably contains specific 
information necessary to establish innocence; 
(b) they have failed to advance even a prima 
facie case that there is information contained in 
any of the documents that is necessary to estab
lish innocence; and 
(c) they have failed to show that they are unable 
to advance the issues they wish to put before the 
trial court. 
4. The applicants do not need the documents. 
Their defence that they did not act fraudulently or 
without colour of right can be established by their 
personal testimony without any documents, that in 
order to use documents to support such a defence 
it must be demonstrated that they had read the 
documents and that they were the basis for their 
belief in the lawfulness of their actions, that if the 
documents had not been read by the applicants 
they cannot be necessary or even relevant to the 
defence and that the applicants have not shown 
either that they had read the documents or that 
the documents constituted the basis of a genuine 
belief that they may have had in the lawfulness 
and morality of the operation. 
5. The evidence given by the applicants before the 
McDonald Commission demonstrates that any 
belief the applicants may have had as to the 
lawfulness and morality of Operation Ham was 
founded, not on the contents of any of the docu
ments in question but on directives that they 
received from superiors to carry out the operation 
and their belief that they would never be required 
by their superiors to participate in unlawful or 
immoral activities. The existence of such directives 
is not in dispute and are contained in Appendices 4 
and 5. 
On these bases the respondent submitted that: 
(a) the applicants have failed to demonstrate 
that the Court should examine any documents; 
and 
(b) in any event they have failed to demonstrate 
that the public interest in disclosure outweighs 
in importance the public interest in the preserva
tion from injury of national security and inter
national relations. 
Importance of Public Interest in National Secu
rity and International Relations 
Turning first to the importance of the public 
interest in national security and international rela
tions, I was not referred to nor have I found in the 
material before me anything which would afford 
any reason to doubt or to discount the opinion 
expressed by the respondent in the certificate that 
disclosure of what is sought would be injurious to 
national security or international relations or 
which would challenge or rebut what is contained 
in the respondent's secret affidavit. I must con
clude, therefore, that to disclose the information 
sought would be injurious to national security and 
international relations in the ways set out in the 
certificate and affidavit. I must note, however, 
without wishing to be critical, that a certificate 
which identifies, as this one does, the information 
to the disclosure of which objection is taken, by 
reference to the information in a multitude of 
documents, some of which are in themselves 
voluminous, which has not already been made 
public by the report of the McDonald Commission, 
leaves this Court as well as the Superior Court 
with the task of discerning the subject-matter of 
the objection by reference to a vague formula 
rather than by an intelligible description by which 
particular items can be identified. In addition, 
there is little if anything in the certificate or the 
secret affidavit or elsewhere in the material to 
afford a basis for estimating or assessing the gravi
ty of the danger or the injury that might result 
from disclosure of any particular information. 
What impresses me, as much as anything else in 
the material, as indicating the gravity of the risk to 
national security and international relations is the 
large volume and comprehensiveness of the ma
terial demanded, the disclosure of which, as it 
seems to me, could but lay bare to the world the 
whole structure of the Security Service with its 
strengths and its shortcomings, its methods and 
techniques, its resources, its policies and its tar- 
gets, and its relationship with friendly foreign 
security agencies as well. 
In national security matters and international 
relations, secrecy is essential. The price in time 
and effort put forth to assemble and sift informa
tion is high. The process is continuous. It is carried 
out in the interests of public safety. What is 
purchased by the efforts expended is easily injured 
or lost by publication of information that should be 
kept secret. 
Further, though the information to which this 
application applies is all at least ten years old, I do 
not think that its disclosure can on that account be 
regarded as any the less likely to cause injury. As 
was pointed out in at least one of the cases referred 
to, secrets relating to national security may require 
to be preserved indefinitely. See Attorney-General 
v. Jonathan Cape Ltd. and Others's. I should think 
that the same would apply to secrets relating to 
international relations. The view expressed by 
Gibbs A.C.J. in Sankey v. Whitlam 19 is to that 
effect. In neither instance is a period of ten to 
twenty years of much significance in reducing the 
likelihood of injury resulting from disclosure. 
Finally, I regard it as a circumstance to be taken 
into account that Canada is not presently at war. 
If a state of war existed I doubt that anyone would 
argue that the importance of the public interest in 
national security was not greater than the impor
tance of the public interest in the administration of 
justice for in a war situation the lives of all citizens 
may be in jeopardy. That the country is not at war 
militates somewhat in favour of the applicants but, 
in the present day state of international affairs, 
political terrorism and subversion, not much. Eter
nal vigilance is as necessary as it always has been 
to maintain the security of the nation. 
Importance of Public Interest in Disclosure 
Now, what of the importance of the competing 
public interest, that of the proper administration of 
justice, that justice may not miscarry. Counsel 
properly emphasized that the case for which the 
documents are required is a prosecution for alleged 
criminal offences and that the purpose for which 
' a [1976] 1 Q.B. 752, at p. 770. 
18 (1978), 21 ALR 505 (H.C.), at p. 528. 
the documents and information are required is that 
of defending the applicants against the charges. 
That, undoubtedly, is an important consideration 
to be taken into account, important because con
viction alone would be a serious matter for the 
applicants, important as well because the punish
ment might be imprisonment for a not inconsider
able term. But the offences charged are not capital 
and, without speculating as to what punishment 
would be likely to follow conviction, it does not 
appear to me that, in the circumstances as to what 
the applicants were engaged in doing in the 
"Ham" operation, one ought to give the prospect 
of severe punishment undue weight in the scale. 
Another circumstance which it seems to me to 
be proper to take into account is the relevancy of 
the information and documents sought to the 
issues that are likely to arise at the trial. I do not 
think it is feasible at this stage to isolate particular 
issues and to consider the relevancy of the docu
ments or information to them. Nor do I think that 
the usefulness to the defence of such documents 
and information can be confined to documents 
which the applicants had read and information of 
which they had knowledge at the material time. I 
shall therefore assume that, if tendered, the docu
ments and information sought would be admitted 
in evidence and would be relevant to one or 
another of the issues. Nevertheless, I have the 
impression that some, perhaps many, of the docu
ments may have next to no relevance at all. I also 
have the impression that the relevance of most if 
not all of them is unlikely to be anything but 
peripheral, at the outer limits of admissibility, and 
useful, if at all, only as confirming by their mere 
existence such direct evidence as there may be on a 
particular issue. From their descriptions I do not 
perceive that any of the items is by itself evidence 
of a fact to be proved to establish the defences 
indicated by the applicants in their memorandum 
of points to be argued. 
In their affidavits the applicants express their 
belief that the documents and information in them 
are essential to their defences. That is understand
able. Their careers and liberty are in jeopardy. I 
do not discredit that they hold such beliefs. But the 
belief of the applicant Albert is based not on 
personal knowledge but on information given to 
him by his counsel as to the need for the docu
ments and information. And the affidavit of the 
applicant Goguen includes the expressions "are 
very likely to contain" and "I might be deprived of 
the means of proper presentation of my case." 
After giving the matter the best consideration I 
can give it, I am unable to regard the disclosure of 
the documents and information as being of critical 
importance to the defences of the applicants, par
ticularly having regard to the availability to them 
of witnesses who will be able to give in general 
terms evidence of at least some of the matters that 
they express their need to prove to confirm their 
own evidence. 
Relative Importance of the Conflicting Public 
Interests 
On the whole of the material before me I am of 
the opinion that in the circumstances of this case 
not only is the importance of the public interest in 
national security and international relations not 
outweighed by the importance of the public inter
est in the proper administration of justice but that 
the evidence preponderates heavily in favour of the 
importance of the former as outweighing the 
importance of the latter. In such circumstances, it 
is, in my view, unnecessary that I should call for or 
examine any of the documents or information in 
question and undesirable that I should do so both 
because the authority to examine should only be 
exercised when necessary and because in all the 
circumstances I do not see any reason to suppose 
that an examination of the documents would indi
cate that the documents or information therein 
should be disclosed or that such an examination 
would otherwise serve any useful purpose. 
In the course of argument, counsel for the appli
cants stressed their rights under the common law, 
the Criminal Code of Canada, the Canadian Bill 
of Rights, S.C. 1960, c. 44 [R.S.C. 1970, Appen
dix III], and the Canadian Charter of Rights and 
Freedoms, being Part I of the Constitution Act, 
1982, Schedule B, Canada Act 1982, 1982, c. 11 
(U.K.), to make full answer and defence. Such 
rights are not open to challenge. But they are not 
in issue here. What subsection 36.1(2) calls for is a 
determination of which of two conflicting public 
interests outweighs the other in importance. 
Whether the effect of such a determination when 
made is to interfere in any way with the right to 
make full answer and defence is, as it seems to me, 
a matter for the Court which tries the accused. It 
is not to be decided on this application nor is the 
possible effect on the accused's right of the deter
mination that is to be made here something to be 
taken into account in making the determination. 
I am accordingly of the opinion that in the 
circumstances of this case as disclosed by the 
material before me the importance of the public 
interest in maintaining the documents and infor
mation in them immune from disclosure on the 
grounds that their disclosure would be injurious to 
national security and international relations is not 
outweighed in importance by the public interest in 
disclosure and I so determine. It follows that the 
objections taken in the certificate should be upheld 
and that this application fails and should be 
dismissed. 
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